Just wonder if anyone here has used both Struts and Spring before?  I have read articles on the web comparing the two frameworks.  But if there are actual Xenterum members who have done that and can share their first-hand experience, that will be great.  

I am not specifying any topic to talk about yet.  Just like to get an idea how many of you have done that.  Please "raise your hand".  

I have never worked or even heard of those 2 frameworks. But if you want to make a good 4-tier application take a look at Ruby on Rails. Much and Much better than the Java Enteprise Beans

Thanks lhy!  I have read about Ruby On Rails.  But never really got a chance to use it.  Are you guys building your apps based on that framework?

Yeah, EJB is a pain on the neck.  We have done a some EJB few years ago and never wanted to use it again.  People are into Hibernate now.  Do you have experience on that?  

I was surprised that you have not heard of Jakarta Struts and Spring.  Maybe they are not popular in where you are from?

I know Jakarta but not Struts and Spring. But I have to take back what I have said. EJB 2.0 and before is really pain in the ass. I have to say EJB 3.0 is pretty nice. Take a look at "java persistence api" works really nice.

Ruby on Rails is the web app develope language you can get. Man it is so good and powerful. you should try it if you have time. I have play with RoR but didnt really work in a project with it. But it will bereally soon before I accept a project with RoR.

Now you made me very much want to try RoR.  But I doubt I can get them to use it at work.  Spring has been out for a long time and have a lot of resources.  And Hibernate is very much like EJB 3.  Plus, they are still in Java 1.4, so we can't make use of the Java Persistence API yet.  -__-  That's too bad!

Man.. are you and me the only Java developers in Xenterum?    Nobody else has responded yet.

So what IS Java? is it some knid of coffee beans?

Sorry, I was boring, just passing by..

One of the main features of the new Java Persistence API that was introduced with the Java EE 5 platform is that you can plug in any persistence provider that you want. Goodbye Entity Beans, Hello JPA

Many of the features of the third-party persistence frameworks are incorporated into the Java Persistence API, and projects like Hibernate and TopLink are now implementations of Persistence.

You should read some more about this and switch over to JEE5

I cannot switch to Java 1.5 yet.  The place I work for is so big that every step they take needs to be tested and approved.  That's why we are still using Java 1.4.2.  -__-  I envy you.

We are still using Java 1.4.2 @ work, along with Struts, EJB2.0, WebLogic 8.1 and Oracle 9.0. However, I have actually used Spring with Hibernate from my last job (prior to learning EJB here). Comparing to Hibernate, EJB2.0 should be pain. But I would definitely vote for EJB3.0 based on the review we had couple weeks ago. Maybe you are right, EJB3.0 is so alike to HIbernate.

Hi tonya1star, thanks for your input!  And good to hear from other Java developers!

We are using Websphere.  And I just read an article that Spring does not work well in Websphere.  So we have decided to stick with Struts for now.  

Since you have used both Struts and Spring, which one you like more?